Saturday, July 25, 2009

Joshua 22- 24

Something is amiss with my internet so I am once a gain blogging from my phone.
We see the end of Joshua with this reading, both the man and the book. It kinda seems like once these people do what needs to be done for the Lord, they die.

Its similar to what I used to be afraid of. I used to honestly believe that once I felt a moment of pure joy I would drop dead.The idea being that I was put here to struggle and learn and once the struggle was over, so I would be.I really should be a Catholic, I have the guilt and the "suffering is good" thing down pretty well. So anyway, I constantly kept things in my life really crappy.

I sorta feel like Moses and Joshua should have had a few years of just kickin back with nothing to do. However as Jamie sees it, they are doing that and much more in heaven. I guess if you look at it that way, its a great deal
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Everyone is getting settled into their new homes they didn't build. In their new cities they didn't build and tending to their new land they didn't plant. And thanking the Lord for it all.

We get a little review again in these chapters, review all the way back to Abe.

And I did appreciate 24:15 that the people were told bluntly, that they have the choice to leave. I know it has always been an option but I like that here it's stated plainly. I'm all about choices.

8 comments:

Jamie said...

God declared generations before Joshua, Moses, and Aaron, that He was going to begin to limit life spans. He has gradually brought them down. Joshua was 110. And, like Moses was in extraordinary health and strength all the way up til just before he died. So, I don't think it's a, I'm done with them, throw them away type deal.

And they both might have got some kick back time. I don't think the battle for the Promised Land went all the way up til Joshua was 110. I think it about stopped when he was 85 or so. 25 years is enough retirment for most, I think. I'd have to do more research or ask someone more knowledgeable to be sure, though.

As you said, a lot more review and warnings. God promised, He came through, they rebelled, He punished them, they behaved, they conquered (with God's help), they recieved, they were given one last chance to back out of their covenant, they were warned, they enjoyed.

Tomorrow is Judges 1-4

Jamie said...

I just wanted to say, that even if Moses and Joshua were in the Lord's service all the way up til they died, I think they loved it. They were both very passionate about doing God's work. And as you know how the saying goes, If you love what you do, you'll never work a day in your life.

Anonymous said...

wait...before I comment, does this guy seriously believe in the ages represented in the bible???

Jamie said...

Anym, yes, I do. I'm the believer. Why wouldn't I? If you were gonna bring up ages, why wait til now, when they are living within what many people today are living? Why not when we read about Methusalah who lived to be 969? And Noah, etc.? We covered this. Not to be bossy, but maybe you should start reading from the beginning so we're not rehashing stuff. Please don't take that as harsh as it sounded.

test said...

He/She brought it up because of your comment. You made a comment about limiting life, so they responded.

"The LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh."
God shortened the human lifespan to 120 years because humans are "flesh" and he was tired of fighting with them. 6:3

Yeah God was fucking tired, he was just tired of dealing with things.

Hardly sounds omnipotent.

Anonymous said...

"On a much more upbeat note, its funny how much wacky stuff there is out there related to the study of the Bible."

Tough to argue with that..I might go a step further and say studying the bible is a bit like studying Mad magazine except Mad was actually mostly based on fact and real current events instead of fictional stories made up to control the masses like the bible.
Good to see you're at least beginning to see how wacked out the bible really is, but you still have a long way to go.

Jamie said...

M, you've really got no clue what you're talking about. As I've stated before, and this is a fact, there is no reputable historian in the world that disputes the historacity of the Bible. It is a known historical document. And EVERY archeological find in the last 100 years has proven it's stories to be historical fact. Now, if you want to dispute the how's of it, that's different. Christians believe, of course, that the miracles where acts of God, and non-Christians believe that they weren't miracles performed by an awesome God, but coincidental, natural, happen stance. Again, as I've noted before, any statistician will tell you that for all those miracles to have happened at the most opportune times as they did would be impossible. May I suggest you do a little more research before you spout off too much ignorance. You are definitely entitled to your opinion on whether or not there's a super natural God, but only a fool would suppose that the Bible is not a historically accurate document. Regardless, debating the veracity of the Bible is not the intent of this blog. It's about understanding. If you think you already know all there is to know, and wish to continue to be the intolerant and judgemental person you seem to be towards Christians and Christianity then I suggest this blog may not be for you to actively participate in. Maybe, just maybe, just for fun, you'd like to read along with us (even if you wish to view the text from a fictional perspective) and let us know what you understood it to mean, as well as any lessons that might be learned from these "parables". Hope you decide to play along.

test said...

Crystal....

are you really going to let him say that the Bible is historically accurate and that there's no evidence contrary to it's contents?

Please ask Jamie, since he's pretending to not read our comments, about the lack of evidence, in fact, contrarian evidence about there ever being an exodus.

Also, ask him who conquered Tyre and who was prophesied to do it.

For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people... And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers. By reason of the abundance of his horses their dust shall cover thee: thy walls shall shake at the noise of the horsemen, and of the wheels, and of the chariots, when he shall enter into thy gates, as men enter into a city wherein is made a breach... And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the Lord have spoken it, saith the Lord God.


This prophecy was a twofold failure. Nebuchadnezzar did besiege Tyre, but he failed to conquer it; he did not break down its walls or enter into its gates, as the Bible claimed he would. Alexander the Great did conquer it later, but he is not mentioned and was not the object of the prophecy. And neither of them destroyed the city permanently, as the Bible predicts.

Indeed, Tyre exists to this day, on the same spot as the ancient city, and tens of thousands of people still live there.

Also in Ezekiel, in chapter 29, there is a very curious prophecy of doom for Egypt.

Thus saith the Lord God: Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt... I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries. Yet thus saith the Lord God; At the end of forty years will I gather the Egyptians from the people whither they were scattered. And I will bring again the captivity of Egypt, and will cause them to return into the land of Pathros, into the land of their habitation; and they shall be there a base kingdom.

Righttttttttttttttttttttttttttt...

I think even a biblical literalist can agree that none of this ever happened. Egypt was never desolate, much less for forty years at a stretch, and its people were neither scattered nor later regathered. The archaeological evidence supports no such conclusion; even the Bible itself does not record this ever occurring. And an apologist cannot claim this is still in the future, because the verse specifically addresses the pharaoh, a system of government which no longer exists.